Dealing With the 2024 Election Results

Chris

to be fair, I don't feel like I've stabbed anybody in the back.

Andre

I'm not saying you personally. I know

Chris

you're raising my hand for people,

Andre

it makes sense to me that this, this outcome, is what it is.

Chris

So obviously, we are now just a little bit over a week away from or since the election here in the US and Donald Trump has been re elected. I don't know if you've experienced any of this, but there is, especially on Reddit, apparently, a good group of people, and I say good group, a large group of people who seem to think that if you behave the way that Magas did last time, that you're going to get what you want, that like we need to believe that this was stolen from us, and that there was some mass conspiracy and that,

Andre

yeah, I don't have time for that publicly. I want to say that I called it wrong. So there's that, there's a

Chris

me too, there's

Andre

a little bit of my wife told me to be nice, because I haven't been very like some of the mean, even our conversation the other day, or whenever we talked about it wasn't extremely positive.

Chris

It's kind of hard to be positive in this moment, but I'm struggling as well, and you know me to be a generally positive person, so don't, yeah, don't feel too bad if?

Andre

Well, my answers to people have been kind of, one of my sons called me this or last week. I don't know what day it is, I think it's this week, and he asked me what I thought about it. And I said, Well, since you're my son, I'm not going to give you my canned response, which has been, yeah, he won. Let's change the subject, because what I've seen, I mean, I think, to answer your question, a lot of people are picking teams, and I don't really care about the teams, nor have I really ever. I care about what's going to hopefully bring the country like, not together, that's never going to happen. But what helps the country progress to a more beneficial society? And I don't think this is it, so I think I've probably been tuning out that blue and on conspiracy stuff. Because I think it's kind of silly.

Chris

I agree wholeheartedly. I think it's kind of disappointing, in a sense, to see, you know, basically, like, I said, like, the exact same behavior that we saw from it's not a lot of, well, okay, not yet,

Andre

but I don't think anybody are gonna, like, attack the Capitol.

Chris

No, you're right. They we you will not see another January 6. And I agree with that, but it is. It's the you know, kind of telling yourself whatever it is that you need to hear to feel better about it, I think, right? Like, oh, it was stolen from us. You know that there wasn't stolen? No, there's some what the some betting website where the FBI just raided this guy's house or whatever. And people are like, Oh, they they correctly predicted the outcome, and so now the FBI is rating them because they think that they were in league with Trump. And

Andre

here's why Trump got reelected. And polls aren't going to capture this. Pundits on the news aren't going to talk about it. I. We live in a racist and misogynist country period, like it's just what it is, what it is like. I mean, there's, there's, you can't account for how racist this country is, and you can't account for the misogyny or the sexism. And I, anecdotally, I've spoken to people on, you know, different political affiliations, and a lot of them did say that a woman can't do the job. And some of those people were women. The polls aren't going to pick that up like, whatever exit polls are doing to find out why people voted for Trump. I think it's not going to work. It's not going to tell

Chris

you, right? Because the answer nobody's going to be like, I just don't want to vote for a woman. Yeah. And I definitely can be in charge at any other position except for that President. That's the one and only one where it's like, nope.

Andre

So people can, you know, we just have to accept the country for what it is. That's the reality,

Chris

uh, yes, to an extent. I mean, right? I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting the country to be better, but, yeah, you do have to accept for what it is if you actually want to make any change, right, right? If you want to see anything, you can't stick your head in the sand right and say, you know, that's

Andre

useless. Yeah. So that means the Democrats need to find a guy to run for office decks. It's just like that. I don't know how else to say that. And they and maybe a black guy, but definitely not a black woman, I mean, and probably not a black person like at this point. If we're going to the second term of this, whatever racial heartburn this country is having is not going to be over in four years, right?

Chris

And, I mean, I hear you. I think you're right. It will almost undoubtedly end up being a white male, and probably not Pete Buttigieg. The

Andre

country is definitely not going to vote for gay men that's married to another man. It's just not gonna happen. No.

Chris

So, I mean, I guess you're looking at like a Gavin Newsom. Josh Gavin

Andre

Newsom's too extreme for this country. Josh Shapiro is only popular in Pennsylvania. I mean, these are like, like, hard, no. So,

Chris

I mean, is there anybody that that you see that the Democrats have, or do they need to go get their own Donald Trump, I don't Is Mark Cuban the the best candidate that they can run?

Andre

Mark Cuban won't run here. Here's the thing I was I was thinking about this this morning, you can't run a country like a business like I actually used to believe that for a brief period in time in my life. But as I've used to believe that you could run,

Chris

that you should run the country as a business, yeah, yeah,

Andre

and you can't. It doesn't make sense. It's like implausible, right? Companies are designed to drive profit. They're not designed for, like, sustainable growth. They're not designed for looking out for the future of its employees. No matter what they tell you they're especially if they're a public company, their main objective is to bring value to the shareholders. So a CEO is not the person that you want running a country or a government. They're going to make decisions based on the bottom line. People are not the bottom line. So for the people that keep saying, well, he Trump runs, he's, first of all, he's not a successful businessman. We've already found out that you can buy a president for $100 million there's a lot of things that we find out about what this country values, and I want to be very clear, half of the country barely voted, and that that includes both part or both parts are size of the ticket. So we got to stop using that terminology of half the country wanted this because that's not true. Half the country is probably not very engaged. And then you have to think of people that are eligible to vote in this country. We still didn't even reach half of those people. So

Chris

yeah, I mean, we had significantly fewer voters this year than we did in 2020 Right, right? And

Andre

if we would have had the same amount of voters baseline of 2020 Donald Trump is not re elected.

Chris

Do you give any What are your thoughts on the like? Uh, you know, some progressive stayed home because they were mad at the Biden administration for Gaza and all that stuff. So, because it doesn't make any sense to me, it's

Andre

a stupid argument. It's, it's the same, it's almost as assigned as my decision to not vote for president in 2016 right? And it's not even the lesser of two evil. Like, you can't get everything you want in a candidate, more than likely, but you have to stand for something. And like, if you think you're going to get Gaza being treated any differently with this upcoming administration, you're sadly going to be disappointed. Mike Huckabee doesn't give a flying f@#$ about Gaza. So then you think about Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, you're definitely not going to get any type of sympathy towards Gaza and to vote against your own self interest is stupid,

Chris

or to Yeah, to abstain in opposition of your own self interest, because, I do think that that was again, because you see, you saw So many people that just didn't vote. Can't

Andre

strong arm a president, the president of the United States, like you, just can't do that. It's just not going to happen if the if the purpose of leadership is to remove your own self interest and do the do what's well better for the group. That means there are people that are opposed to one policy or agenda item, they're not going to be happy. So you can't strong arm that person. And hopefully we have a president that is thinking about the well being of the group. We don't have that now. We will not have that in the future going forward.

Chris

Yeah, because I think in a lot of ways, what you've seen from this most recent election is voters telling politicians, you don't have to worry about us, right? No,

Andre

I don't, I don't think that's Say that again. So you're not telling politicians that,

Chris

but they're not act they didn't vote for somebody that delivered on the things that he said he was going to do, right? They didn't vote for somebody I don't know. Like, this is where I keep kind of struggling. Is all of the reasons that people give for why they supported Donald Trump or voted for him are based on either very selective history or just flat out lies. And

Andre

I will go with the fly out lies. And

Chris

so in my mind, when the voters turn around and support that, I don't know. I mean, I it's, it's such a stupid thing because you're right, like, it's not, it's not a zero sum game in terms of voters, right? There isn't, there's a fixed number of voters, but you have almost, or more than, you know, 100% additional potential voters sitting out there, if you could just get them engaged. Well, something similar

Andre

happened after Reconstruction, where the country was off kilter for about 90 years, right, right? So we're entering the worst case scenario where the institutions that we we thought we held dear collectively, are no longer important. So whatever f@#$ery that happens in this next administration, I live in a pretty above average county, right? 90, I would say most of the things that are going to affect people are not going to affect me, right? That's where I'm at, and that's because that's the reality I was I was willing to vote, even if my taxes went up to help other people, like the do the Department of Education stuff is going to affect rural counties very, very, very, very, very, clearly, yeah, I don't have kids in primary School, and if most of those counties voted for this, then that's where they're at. And I rant and rave about education constantly, constantly, because I know that if we don't invest in education, our country is going to fall further and further behind. But. People in rural counties are especially in this state. I can't speak for other states. That's what they voted for. Okay, f@#$ it like that's where we're at.

I know that sounds free, like f@#$ed up, but you know, honestly, f@#$ it. I live in Disneyland

Chris

well, and we're in a state with, you know, now, Democrat for governor, lieutenant governor, Attorney General, Secretary of State.

Andre

We can block some of the f@#$ery that's been going on in our our state politics, or

Chris

at least, you know, lessen the impact of someone Right, right?

Andre

We can veto for four years. We can last that out. But there are other states

Chris

where that's not the case and they're gonna go whole hog on the project 2025, agenda, or even just the GOP platform that we discussed at length. And yeah, I mean, I'm with you and that it's, we talked about this on the phone the other day. I think I'm just at a point where I'm like, Alright, so if you voted for this s&!t, enjoy it. It's, no, it's, it's, what else are you gonna do? Like, this is what I'm not gonna get mad. Dumbest people want it, right? Yep, so when all of this s&!t falls apart, you know, that's what, that's where I'm gonna have my Don't play me. I voted for Conlon sticker.

Andre

I'm not gonna even wear a sticker. I'm just gonna get some like I'm and I'm not saying that I want what's worse for everybody. I'm just saying we as a country decided this is the route we want to go. Well,

Chris

that's what we that's what people chose. So that's not what we want. But that was the decision that collectively,

Andre

we decided that, no, we're good, we're gonna do this. Okay,

Chris

let's try this. Now, I do think that there's something to the idea that, you know, over the last four years, we saw metrics that, you know, the economy was good, unemployment was good, all of this stuff. But there was, you know, a certain group below, uh, you know, an income level that did not rebound as well from COVID. And

Andre

Chris, we've talked about that before. We we've talked about this. Ad nauseam, yep, I get that part. I have sympathy for those people, but it's the proverbial cut your nose off to spite your face. But

Chris

I think the question is, right in this election, a lot of what was being said on the Democrat side was, we have to protect the systems, right? The systems that and the institutions. And I, a lot of people look at it and say, but those systems and institutions haven't helped me. Then why do I need to worry about protecting them? Right? Because I think for some people, what it comes across as you have to protect this so that I can stay here so that I could, you know that we can, and not just Democrats, but, you know, politicians in general, like, well, we have to protect this system so that we can continue to lead the country dry. Not that I ultimately think Donald Trump is any better, right? But I just, I do wonder if there isn't some element of that where it's like, Man, this system, you know, what's the system done for me? I'm not, I'm not willing to get off my ass to go save a system that, in the end, isn't actually built or designed to help me, because that's what a lot of people feel.

Andre

So I'll just say this carte blanche. It's a, it's a level of ignorance and arrogance. A lot of people don't understand how government works. A lot. That's how I can say comfortably, I'll sit in my nice blue county with some protections at the state level to where most of this stuff won't affect me. Yeah, a lot of people don't understand how the economy works, right? A lot of people are. They're they're clinging to a pass that's never coming back, like we keep going back to the well on manufacturing jobs. At some point in the near future, we're going to realize that's the wrong horse. Like, I'm I'm at a point now where or I'm at a point of realization that the Democrats are terrible messengers and the Republicans are consistent liars. So. So the things that work that the Democrats were and I'm an independent. So for me, I'll throw stones at all the glass houses and and just say, Catch me outside. It's the if you look at people, still think Roe versus Wade was about abortion and it wasn't. It was about privacy, right? So the the right to abortion was not the only right you lost with that being overturned, right?

People still don't under again, back to people not understanding how government works. You have two Supreme Court justices that are more than likely going to retire in the next year or two. What does that get you right now, you have to hope and pray that your state legislatures can pass laws that don't have to go to the Supreme Court, because anything that you may try to do may end up in a Supreme Court that doesn't give two s&!ts about you, and they want to, you know, they want to legislate through the bench. So my argument is, okay, fine. I'm not going to. I've taken the punch. What do I do next? Well, number one, hopefully there's a change of messaging from Democrats. Hopefully there is a change of like, a like, don't just talk about, we saved a plant from closing in Detroit, but tell the tell people the impact of what that could be. Don't say, you know, the chips act is going to bring jobs in 10 years. Like, walk people through step by step, because when motherf@#$ers are telling you that eggs are more expensive and that's what I'm voting for, they missed everything right? Like I'm I'm at a point where I've taken the hit and I'm at peace with it.

I'm also at peace that most of the bad s&!t that's coming and it's coming will not affect me.

Chris

Yeah, I mean, you got Matt gates as the Attorney General. 2025

Andre

is going to be the year of the rapist. Yeah, yeah,

Chris

Hess geth, or whatever his name has. The f@#$ is this fox news guy? I mean, yeah, from the weekend they were basically pointing out that his entire cabinet is just the people he sees on Fox News regularly. Yeah, it's, it's, it's that time positive about him. What? Uh, Chrissie

Andre

Noam as head of national security or intelligence?

Chris

Well, no, Tulsi Gabbard. Tulsi

Andre

Gabbard,

Chris

are we talking about national intelligence?

Andre

And the other one, the other clown, is the head of, I don't know. f@#$ I don't know. Look when they

Chris

just, he just announced RFK as the head of Health and Human Services. I mean, yeah, like, this is, this is what all 75 million of you voted for. Okay, f@#$ it.

Andre

I don't care. Yeah,

Chris

I know. I am. I'm with you at this point, like, I, I kind of say, let him burn it down. No,

Andre

I don't want it to if it burns down. I

Chris

mean, like, Let him, let it, let him set it on fire. How's that? Let him start some small fires. And, no, I just, I mean, like, What the f@#$? Because if, if, if Democrats and and, by extension, everybody else are just like, No, we're not gonna allow this to happen. Then don't, don't these other stupid motherf@#$ers just keep going back and touching the stove.

Andre

Look, man, look, I have, I mean,

Chris

I'm not saying we gotta go full on, like, you know, 1930s Germany or even Italy, but don't we let a little bit of this. I mean, like, you know, like, you want to deport 20 million people, okay. Oh, that's

Andre

gonna work out. Great. I went to the grocery store the other day and the f@#$ing produce department was f@#$ing empty. I can't wait till people realize that their avocados come from Mexico. I

Chris

saw something the other day where an eight, you know, some local HOA passed a you know, ordinance saying that all contractors had to provide proof of residency for all of their employees. And basically all of the worksite sites shut down for three months until they changed the rule, because the moment it became an inconvenience for them. Like, oh, wait, we need those illegal immigrants. Well, s&!t,

Andre

I'll tell you this me, s&!t. You think s&!t

Chris

expensive now I

Andre

can't wait. I'm gonna be fine. Like, I'm sorry. Like, I'm just like, oh, I

Chris

mean, I know it's tough for me, right? Because I. I think my, my being like a white male, like, Yeah, this is where I just kind of live, right? No matter what happens, I'm like, Well, I mean, ultimately I'm gonna be fine, right? That's

Andre

and then,

Chris

I mean, I Unknown Speaker That's true. It's pretty true. It sucks to some degree, because I'm like, Yeah, but it's not about me necessarily, like, I don't know I because this is where I struggle. It's like, there's a lot of innocent people that are gonna get really f@#$ed by this administration. And that is true. Granted, there's only so much that you or I as individuals or even paired together, or even using our massive platform of 226 subscribers on Thank you. By the way, each and every one of you to talk about this kind of stuff that you know, like, there's, it's not really going to have that much of an impact. So at the end of the day, it's kind of like, again, you want to

Andre

know why I came up to the fact that you can't have a CEO run a country, yes, please, because I look at myself as a person that was in charge of stuff for a corporation,

Chris

do a good job, right? I mean, it's two different jobs, right?

Andre

I would f@#$ing do all the things naturally. If I wasn't thinking about other people, right, my natural inclination would be disruptive to the people of wherever,

Chris

because at in at the end of the day, you can't always measure, measure the benefits of social programs, and dollars and cents exactly and and it's not like it's an investment for the It's just like education, right? You don't invest in education now so that your grades, your scores are better next year. I'll

Andre

give you a McDonald's example right here. Case in point, I need a store to hire 20 people, and I've got to, like, talk to my boss about why I'm spending more more hours in training, because that's non productive hours like those people aren't selling Big Macs and Egg McMuffins, but I have to convince them that, you know, four hours a week, times what, however many people are going to hire is A good investment. So you put you, you change that environment to the f@#$ing country, and say that we don't, we're gonna get rid of the Department of Education. Now,

Chris

where's switch it all the block grants, which will be dependent on you cow towing to whatever whims Donald Trump has in that moment. I mean, it's literally just another avenue for cronyism.

Andre

I mean, we Elon Musk figure out you can buy a United States president for $100 million

Chris

and what did it get him a shared seat on the promise?

Andre

Look, man, the rest of the world is laughing at us. These clowns in Russia, yeah,

Chris

they got exactly what they wanted. No

Andre

even better yet, they congratulate Trump and show all the nudes of Melania and say that's gonna be the next First Lady of the United States. And one of the CO hosts is laughing, and you know, that had to go up the flagpole,

Chris

of course.

Andre

So for me, it's like, Look, man, I am not overly concerned. I'm just like, Look, I can't it. It doesn't mean I don't want to help people. Just means that this is, you know, we had a reprieve for four years from the insanity. Yeah,

Chris

I can't believe we have to step back into this. I mean, like we talked about, I can right, like I always had this as the well, but remember, there's always a possibility, you know, you kind of hope that enough people say, No, we're not, we're not going back and, you know, again, like, was Kamala a perfect candidate?

Andre

No, she was not. No, there was nothing she could have done.

Chris

But right, that, like, there was literally nothing else I can think of, like, there's not one thing where you're like, well, that's where she f@#$ing lost, no, right?

Andre

The f@#$ing pundits on like I or, yeah, let me tell you about my sick

Chris

and tired of listening to everybody pontificate on why the country voted the way they did, and that it never comes back. To the truth of the matter, right?

Andre

We are a racist, misogynistic, sexist country, period. Full stop. I changed my new news diet. I want nothing to do with CNN. I think they're probably the their Fox light, if I'm being honest, I just, and I'm sure they have some good journalists. I don't know. They do have to, I mean, they have to make money, right, right job. Their job is to get ad dollars, period. It's so bad, even local news. I was watching the news this morning. I don't know if there's a clip, but WRAL, I'm going to call bulls&!t on you, motherf@#$ers. A guy was wrongly imprisoned for nine years. Nine years, this is how they lead the story. A man who's been in prison for, and I'm paraphrasing, for nine years, is been released, and your tax dollars are going to be used to pay in restitution. And I was like, Well, okay, maybe there's something more. And they go to the story, and he was wrongly jailed in Winterville. Well, they keep saying your tax dollars are paying in restitution, motherf@#$er, my tax dollars wrongly in prison this guy for nine goddamn years.

Chris

What who else is supposed to pay him? Right? I mean, that's the liability that you accept as a town. Or why does that have to be in the f@#$ing right way in the headline, in the

Andre

headline. Why do you leave the story like that?

Chris

So I use the environment, right? Well, I'm, I'm

Andre

sitting here thinking to myself, who owns WRAL and and where's this script coming from, and how many times are gonna are they gonna regurgitate this script? So you can't trust the national news headlines. You can't trust the local news headlines, not trust but you can't not see the bias. It's f@#$. It's we're in a bad spot. Like, period. Like, I don't know how else to say it. Like, I can't want, I won't watch CNN. I don't want to hear s&!t from them, because I don't have confidence that they're not covering stories just for the sake of ad dollars, like every time Trump farts they want to smell it. Yeah.

Chris

I mean, I guarantee you, that's what they're doing. That's their whole purpose for existing.

Andre

So cable news, go f@#$ yourselves. I think you guys are doing a disservice to the country. Local news, you're getting close.

Chris

Yeah, you're next.

Andre

So do you have an uninformed population, right? I don't know. I don't have the answer to that, but there's that I want to I still think Trump is just the horse a better those are those John Mulaney quiet days when people are like, it looks like the horse is finally calmed down, and then 10 seconds later, the horse is like, I'm gonna run towards the baby incubators and smash him with my hooves. I got nice hooves and a long tail on the horse. And it's like, oh, that's what I thought you'd say, you dumb f@#$ing horse.

And I think that is, it's and it's a wrong it's still a wrong horse. He's gonna just, like, just the Department of Education stuff that will decimate rural counties across the country

Chris

for generations. That's not like a salute, yeah, right. Like, that's not a quick fix in four years that that's gonna say talk about the impact that that remote learning had on kids for the year and a half during COVID. And here we go. You're basically talking about probably shutting schools down.

Andre

A lot of rural schools and rural counties need the funding from the Department. They, at least the Department of Education, somewhat makes the plane feel a little bit more level,

Chris

right? I mean, that provides a baseline for them,

Andre

right? And if you take that away, you kick the legs right from underneath them, all right? Farms are getting bought up by, you know, big agriculture. So you're saying to like, three, possibly four generations of children. Hey, go figure it out. This is the pull your self up by the bootstrap stuff. Yep,

Chris

you don't need the Department of Education telling you what basic curriculum is, and

Andre

they don't. They don't, but they don't even do curriculum. They provide strictly funding. Right? So funding, not even curriculum, making sure students have, like, basic civil rights protected at the collegiate level. I mean, so there's things where it's like, it's not about curriculum. The schools and universities still do that. And you want to get really hilarious,

Chris

because that's the whole kind of argument in a lot of cases, right? Is it's, oh, this is all being pushed by the Department of Education, not that best Betsy DeVos did anything when she was in charge. Betsy

Andre

DeVos runs one of the largest remote learning companies in the country, right? Privatization of every industry is kind of stupid.

Chris

That's what, that's what the Republicans have been pushing for for decades now. I mean, that's why they want to get rid of Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security so they can privatize all of that, and corporations, namely themselves, can make money off of it.

Andre

I'm telling you that they're, they're consistent lies for well over six years. It's paying dividends my strategy, even Carville was wrong, but I agree with Carville. I mean, she should have won, right? All of the all of the people that were looking outside of the polls to to understand who would win and who should win, I believe they were fundamentally correct. I agree with them. My refusal to believe, my slight amount of hope, f@#$ed up my equation. Yep, i i And as I learned many, many years ago, probably, I think it was 2003 from a guy his, I won't say his name. Remember him saying to me, hope is a girl that works in drive through. I need to know what you're going to do? I was like, well, I need concrete s&!t. Business doesn't care about your feelings. Reality doesn't care about your feelings. Nobody cares about your hope. And if you mix all those things together, you get another term of Donald Trump. And again, I'm not sitting I'm not moping over it. Yeah, look, Moses, stuff's not gonna affect me. Sorry.

Chris

Yeah, I mean that's, that's pretty much it.

Andre

That's how I feel about it's kind of like we're, we got Fox and Friends in the administration. You got a rapist that's going to be the Attorney General and a pedophile, I mean, a sex trafficker. I mean, you got the chick that shoots dogs. I mean, I thought America didn't like that s&!t.

Chris

You got a Russian asset leading up the national intelligence agencies. It's

Andre

going to be great.

Chris

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